User talk:Meneth

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Hi Meneth,

last week you blocked a Spammer and deleted three pages he created. Why not the other two? - Lillebror (talk) 18:24, 29 January 2014 (CET)

I missed those somehow. Deleted them now, thanks. ~ Meneth (talk) 18:25, 29 January 2014 (CET)


1. Every Versioning template has a link to the non-existing site Versioning. The corresponding site from the old wiki wasn’t imported. How can this problem be solved?

  • importing the site from the old wiki
  • writing a new site with corresponding content
  • deleting the reference/link in the versioning templates

I tend toward the latter.

2. The red color of the Template:DW is for me a warning color, like a traffic light - Stop, this artikel is not up to date. Is it possible to change it?

This article is accurate for the latest versions of EU3, Napoleon's Ambition, In Nomine, Heir to the Throne, and Divine Wind v5.1.
Please help keep this article up to date with the latest patches.

3. I don’t think it makes sence to have only one versioning template per game expansion. A separate template for patch 5.2 would make it easier to detect which site is checked for changes compared to older versions. My suggestions for the templates {{DW}} and {{DWv5.2}}:

This article is accurate for the latest versions of EU3, Napoleon’s Ambition, In Nomine, Heir to the Throne, and Divine Wind v5.1.
Please help to update this page to include information of DW v.5.2.

This article is accurate for the latest versions of EU3, Napoleon’s Ambition, In Nomine, Heir to the Throne, and Divine Wind v5.1.
Please help to keep this article up to date with the latest patch DW v.5.2.

Greetings, Lillebror (talk) 20:01, 9 February 2014 (CET)

Sounds good to me. Go right ahead with both changes; get rid of those links and change the color. I like that last color the most. ~ Meneth (talk) 20:03, 9 February 2014 (CET)
Don’t you agree with the third point? -Lillebror (talk) 09:24, 10 February 2014 (CET)
Oh, I didn't see that one. I'm not entirely sure it makes sense, did enough change in 5.2 to really justify that? ~ Meneth (talk) 10:53, 10 February 2014 (CET)
The number of changes is not the decisive factor for me. A change affects mostly not just one page. You simply can not consider all side-effects. If you then simply change only the template - you have pages which are not up to date but have the latest template. Example:
I changed the site of the triggered modifier Sound Toll - the List of triggered modifiers as well - but I did not change site like: Economic strategy, strategy sites of The Hansa, Denmark or the other Scandinavian countrys, Trade Income Modifier etc. - Lillebror (talk) 13:08, 10 February 2014 (CET)
I'm not entirely convinced. Only noting expansions has worked rather well for most of the wikis. Paradox are unlikely to release any more major patches for EU3 though, so I'm not that opposed to marking those not updated for the very last patch, as it won't cause any future chaos. ~ Meneth (talk) 13:10, 10 February 2014 (CET)
changed the death link to the category site of the Versioning templates – changed the red colour of the Divine Wind template – doesn’t change anything else - Lillebror (talk) 09:51, 11 February 2014 (CET)

I've just reopened this debate on the Talk page for the template. I don't think there is such a huge gulf between 5.1 and 5.2 so have suggested that we remove the last line from the template and call all DW pages current. Most of the changes were bugfixes, the exception is in manpower and AARs which all tend to be versioned anyway by the original contributor. Dauth (talk) 11:58, 14 June 2014 (CEST)

If so little changed I'm entirely fine with that. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:59, 14 June 2014 (CEST)
Done. Thanks. Dauth (talk) 12:04, 14 June 2014 (CEST)
Sorry to pester, it is possible to do a server side rebuild or do I need to edit and save every page in that has the DW template? I don't think I can face 1000 repetitions of edit and save. Dauth (talk) 12:06, 14 June 2014 (CEST)
I'll deal with it, yeah. I'll force it to go through the job queue, which will update the template on all pages. Will take some minutes. ~ Meneth (talk) 12:07, 14 June 2014 (CEST)
You sir are a scholar and a gent, allow me to doff my hat to you. Dauth (talk) 12:18, 14 June 2014 (CEST)
Right, that's the job queue done. Ran it on most of my wikis while I was at it. ~ Meneth (talk) 12:19, 14 June 2014 (CEST)


Pages like “What is new in Divine Wind” look really not good.

Is it possible to enable <ref> and <references /> to have correct citations. - Lillebror (talk) 08:58, 17 February 2014 (CET)

That's now enabled as of a minute ago. ~ Meneth (talk) 09:29, 17 February 2014 (CET)
Thanks. - Lillebror (talk) 12:57, 17 February 2014 (CET)


Can you please tell me for what purpose are the templates Template:SemiProtect and Template:Protect? Must I create an account on an other external site via Template:SemiProtect? ;-( - Lillebror (talk) 12:12, 2 May 2014 (CEST)

This applies to all Paradox Wikis. – Lillebror (talk) 12:25, 2 May 2014 (CEST)
They're just some relatively standard templates that've been carried over to all the wikis. That create account link definitely needs updating though. Really though, the SemiProtect template has no real purpose, so I'll get rid of that one entirely. ~ Meneth (talk) 12:50, 2 May 2014 (CEST)

When I play around with the diffrent parameter, e.g. type – nothing happens. (Okay, the default images are changed if no other image is defined.) Looking at the displayed amboxes and compare it with amboxes on other wikis, I miss the colour code bar on the left side (as shown in the table at the top left side of the documentation page), a frame and a margin to the left.
I’m a noob ... are there missing some definitions in style sheets? like:

/* Article message box styles */
table.ambox {
   margin: 0px 10%;   /* 10% = Will not overlap with other elements */
   border: 1px solid #aaa; 
   border-left: 10px solid #1e90ff;    /* Default "notice" blue */
   background: #fbfbfb; 

Or is this intentional as it is now? – Lillebror (talk) 10:11, 3 May 2014 (CEST)

There might be some CSS or something missing. But they seem to do their purpose currently, so I'm not too fuzzed. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:34, 3 May 2014 (CEST)
Broom icon.png
This article may need to be cleaned, which means that some content may be superfluous.
Please help improve this article if you can.

I like the slightly different background colour with the frame. The amboxes contrast thus better with the text. – Lillebror (talk) 13:13, 3 May 2014 (CEST)

Old versions of the game

Do you have access to old versions of the game so we can get the code for the mission, Improve relations with the Oirat Horde? Its linked from the reputation page but I can't find any relevant information in my version. I've also taken the liberty of removing the link to the non-existant semi protect template on your page. Hope that's ok. Dauth (talk) 10:38, 17 July 2014 (CEST)

Please ignore second edit, I missed a link to semi protect. Dauth (talk) 11:10, 17 July 2014 (CEST)
I'm afraid I don't have any older versions of the game, sorry. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:29, 17 July 2014 (CEST)
The oldest version I have is In Nomine 3.2. – Lillebror (talk) 13:25, 17 July 2014 (CEST)
The oldest version I have is whatever's the latest version. ~ Meneth (talk) 13:26, 17 July 2014 (CEST)
Like Meneth I only have 5.2, I think this mission is a NA or EU3 one. It is very much an outdated mission and referred too in passing in a couple of places but for the sake of completeness we should have it. Dauth (talk) 13:41, 17 July 2014 (CEST)
Okay, written it on my to do list – will take a few days – Lillebror (talk) 18:23, 17 July 2014 (CEST)


Hey there, on Form British Nation, there is an image File:Scotland Great Britain.png uploaded and added by User:Medibee which claims that the flag for GB unification changes based on which country takes the decision - but I just tested this in-game (in DW) unifying GB as Scotland and the flag was the same as the historical one, not Medibee's. Maybe they were using a mod, or just came across the image and thought it was cool, or something. What is the correct course of action to fix this? I'm not new to wikis, obviously, but this is the first and probably only time I'll edit this one. Thanks, 10:15, 9 November 2014 (CET)

Guess it should just be removed from the page. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:45, 9 November 2014 (CET)
Removed the flag.
I always thought the flag is of Napoleon's ambition or the base game. But that's wrong. It was not possible to form GB as Scottland in this versions, see Paradox forum. – Lillebror (talk) 13:13, 9 November 2014 (CET)

Copyrights change

I've seen the work done and approve thanks. Though a couple of pages contain plain text not links so they may need further edits. I know we don't have domain rights for the old wiki but is it worth trying to get it taken down since its now full of out of date articles and hasn't been in use for over a year? It is rather frustrating to have people opine based on incorrect data because it shows up higher in google. Dauth (talk) 17:25, 3 December 2014 (CET)

I've tried a couple of times to get in touch with the owner of Paradoxian, but I've never gotten a response, I'm afraid. ~ Meneth (talk) 17:27, 3 December 2014 (CET)

Amboxes: Spelling and Grammar

I made a new ambox for copy editing based on Wikipedia’s copy edit template to replace the two amboxes for spelling and grammar. The used icons have no copyright information. I want to get rid of them and use more objective images.

– Lillebror (talk) 10:33, 9 December 2014 (CET)

Looks good. Feel free to roll that out globally on the Paradox Wikis. ~ Meneth (talk) 10:57, 9 December 2014 (CET)
Okay. Do you want to use amboxes in future from the central wiki or as previously with local copies? (Is the first possible at all?) – Lillebror (talk) 12:47, 9 December 2014 (CET)
We should not use cross-wiki transclusion for high-use stuff, as it is really badly optimized (for one, it doesn't even realize it all happens on the same server). For user pages and the like, that's acceptable, but not for high-use stuff. Plus images can't be transcluded cross-wiki anyway (that's why my avatar is uploaded to each individual wiki), so that's out of the question.
So local copies, yeah. Though I'll look further into cross-wiki templates and such when I get the chance. ~ Meneth (talk) 13:09, 9 December 2014 (CET)

Another spammer

Can you kill it and remove the shock image please? May I suggest linking to other sites and upload rights be restricted to autopatrolled or higher rank users? Dauth (talk) 15:56, 27 April 2015 (CEST)

I've dealt with him.
I'll see what I can do about rights. ~ Meneth (talk) 15:58, 27 April 2015 (CEST)
I've restricted uploads to autopatrolled and above for now.
Linking to sites is really easily reverted, and this vandal doesn't seem to be doing it anyway, so not restricting that.
I've also put you in the "moderator" usergroup so you can rollback and ban if you spot vandalism before I do. ~ Meneth (talk) 16:01, 27 April 2015 (CEST)
Cheers. I'll try to keep an eye on things. Dauth (talk) 16:04, 27 April 2015 (CEST)
I've also added a rate limit for anons and new accounts now, so that should massively cut down on the amount of damage he can possibly do. ~ Meneth (talk) 16:10, 27 April 2015 (CEST)
Good plan, have you rolled these over all the wikis? Dauth (talk) 16:12, 27 April 2015 (CEST)
Won't give details on that here. The vandal will have an easier time messing things up if he's aware of what protections exactly I've set up. ~ Meneth (talk) 16:13, 27 April 2015 (CEST)
Of course, also worth deleting and suppressing this conversation. Dauth (talk) 16:17, 27 April 2015 (CEST)
He's seen it already; he tried to vandalize this page in the middle of it. So no point.
Besides, he'll immediately see these protections when he hits them. ~ Meneth (talk) 16:18, 27 April 2015 (CEST)

Many pages don't conform to the style guidelines

I occasionally browse the wiki for tips, tags, and event IDs. Good job in stopping those spammers/vandals, by the way. I've decided to start contributing to this (admittedly awesome) wiki. However, I've noticed many pages don't conform to the manual of style. Is there a "cleanup" tag? Thanks!--Henryii2 (talk) 20:51, 16 November 2015 (CET)

There's {{rewrite}} and {{cleanup}}. Thanks for helping out. ~ Meneth (talk) 00:53, 16 November 2015 (CET)
You're welcome. EU3 FTW!--Henryii2 (talk) 20:51, 16 November 2015 (CET)

Vandalism and Administrators

Hello Meneth

As you can see from the recent changes log, some anonymous vandal(s) has wreaked havoc on this wiki. When I came along, I noticed it, and reverted the mass-vandalism. Obviously it was hard, but I managed to accomplish it. Of course, the vandal's pages still exist, so I sask that you delete them.

However, I did notice that no one responded quickly to the vandalism. I also have noticed that I seem to be the only one active on this fairly dormant wiki. Therefore, to cut to the chase, I request to be granted moderator or administrator rights on this wiki, in order to combat future vandalism and to be able to edit some templates that need improvement. I am uninterested in being a mod/admin on other Paradox wikis.

God bless,


Good morning.
Usually, Lillebror or Dauth would've caught vandalism on this wiki.
Mod/half-op rights are global, not unique to each wiki.
We will however discuss internally whether it'd make sense to make you a half-op globally, or create a user-group unique to this wiki just for you.
Thanks for dealing with the vandalism! Lillebror has since handled deletion and bans. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:10, 2 September 2016 (CEST)
Ok, I think making a user-group unique to this wiki is a good idea. Anyway, is it possible to hide the vandalism that already exists? (i.e. the vandalism in the histories).
By the way, has this vandal always been a problem? From an IP lookup, he seems to be posting from a lot of different countries, probably proxy servers.--Henryii2 (talk) 04:00, 3 September 2016 (CEST)
The spam you caught is AFAIK the first instance.
I've decided I might as well make you a half-op globally. Easier than setting up a user-group. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:48, 3 September 2016 (CEST)
Ok, Thanks. I'll ban the vandal(s) and rollback his edits if I see him again.--Henryii2 (talk) 23:03, 3 September 2016 (CEST)

Editing as an anon

I was advised to ask you this by Lillebror.

I've just had a slightly frustrating experience trying to edit a talk page and trying to guess what forbidden expression I had used which caused it to be identified as probable vandalism. I can't see the filter and there's also a rate-limiting step so I can't try and work out what the offending bit is - of course I appreciate both steps are necessary but it means I'm basically stuck on making an innocuous talk page edit.

I used to edit as "Pinkbeast" before the Wiki demanded a Paradox account (which I have not got and have no desire to have).

Is it possible to mark anon IPs as trusted, and if so, would you be willing to do it for me? My IP address is static. 23:20, 29 January 2017 (CET)

Good evening.
The filter incorrectly thought you completely replaced the contents of a page with something different, a common form of vandalism.
I've updated the filter so that this should not occur again.
I'm afraid there's no way to mark a specific IP as trusted, but this issue will hopefully not reoccur with my change to the filter.
My apologies for the inconvenience. ~ Meneth (talk) 00:08, 30 January 2017 (CET)
Seems fine now. Thanks. 01:22, 30 January 2017 (CET)