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{{DW}} The Mamluks are a nation in modern day Egypt with the potential to become a Middle Eastern power however they are hobbled by poor Government type and regular rebellions.
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They are quite playable.  There's plenty of reasonably easy prey nearby taking Ethiopia, Najd etc. Once you're ready for the bigger world a good strategy is to take [[Sole Defender of the Faith]] which allows a DOW on any different religion with no CB required as long as they are at war with someone of your faith.  This allows domination of the Persians and as much Europe warfare as you like.
 
  
A second strategy is to head east right from the beginning, gobbling up the Arabian peninsula and going to war with Timurids/Qara. Those guys usually end up fighting each other, so jumping in and reaping the benefits will help a lot.
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==Divine Wind V5.1==
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This strategy is less useful after [[Patch 5.2]] where releasing nations which have [[cores]] from your nation removes the core making reintegration a more troublesome prospect. An alternative is to [[vassalise]] neighbours but retain your own [[provinces]].
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This is a strategy to quickly change government, speed up research, and westernise earlier.
  
Mid to late game, the Ottomans will pose a big threat. Once you've gobbled up plenty of nearby Muslim minors, take out your big brother to the north and finally recreate the infamous Caliphate.
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===Military start===
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Firstly, we need to vassalise our neighbours, hopefully before our leader dies. Luckily, we have the Tribal Feud CB which we can use on all our neighbours. The 15k army should be enough at first, but you may want to make a few more regiments of 15k later on (only if you have the cash). I started with Tripoli, as they were the weakest, demand vassalisation as soon as possible, try not drag wars out. Continue vassalising all your neighbours. Make sure to have good relations with the [[Ottomans]], if they invade it will make the game very very hard.  
  
== The Mamluks in In Nomine - 1399 ==
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Sell all your poor provinces to your neighbours. You should be left with 9 provinces, 3 in Egypt and 6 in Syria. Now we need to  secure the two halves of our territory. I kept 15k in each section, but you may not need this many troops. If you have a deficit feel free to kill troops. Your borders are largely secure now, as long as you keep your vassals happy. The only border left to secure is the sea; start building ships as soon as possible. We will need around 15 cogs and 25 carracks, although this number is not set in stone, just try to keep your fleet larger than most European countries, [[Castille]] may become a problem.
  
"They are quite playable"
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[[Image:Mamstart2.jpg|thumb|right|340px|The Mamluks after selling poor provinces and making Vassals from neighbours.]]
That quote certainly DOES not apply to the Mamluks in In Nomine. Unless you feel like whacking rebels every 20 years (and Allah help you if it's a regency council) the Mamluks is not the faction to play, try something like Algiers instead.
 
  
Much of the problems that the Mamluks have stems from their government type: they are a sheikhdom, which means that they are of the Tribal government type. You get a 50% penalty to your technology costs and you get revolts every time your leader dies. Worse still, in the current form of IN (1.0) all rebels get their technology from the Latin tech group, which means that as you grow more and more backward you're going to have a heck of a time going after those rebellions.
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=== Research acceleration===
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Now we can focus on research and trade, our vassals should keep us safe (remember to ally with them and keep relations at 200). Move sliders towards [[Innovation]], [[Centralisation]] and focus research on [[Government technology]], switch to [[Despotic Monarchy]] as soon as possible. Impacts of government changes and [[Westernisation]] should be low and easily managed as we're now a small and very efficient state. Annex your vassals once you've westernised and are happy with your technology.
  
However if you are not daunted by such odds, it's not all doom and gloom for the Mamluks. They are a Muslim nation in Africa, which means that they are still miles ahead of their neighbors to the South. They enjoy good relations with all their Middle Eastern neighbors, and they control Judea, which adds a bonus of 0.50 [[missionaries]] yearly. Plus European nations don't really take an interest in the Mamluks - not for the first 100 years, at least.
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Congratulations! You've largely finished the hard/annoying/boring part, now you can start conquering the world. Make sure to keep your fleet strong, as you will eventually be attacked by Europe. Options are numerous now, West or East the choice is yours. I went for uniting the Muslim world, India was the next best choice, naturally.
  
Firstly you should concentrate all your energies into gaining stability. Anything that lowers revolt risk is a very good idea. I'd recommend Church Attendance Duty as your first national idea too (not that you'll get one in the near future). Back off offensive wars if they don't serve your interest.
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==In Nomine==
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Much of the problems that the Mamluks have stems from their government type: they are a Sheikhdom, which means that they are of the Tribal government type. You get a 50% penalty to your technology costs and you get [[Tribal Succession Crisis]] every time your leader dies. Worse still all rebels get their technology from the Latin technology group, which means that as you grow more and more backward you're going to have a heck of a time going after those rebellions.
  
Position troops so they can take advantage of any possible rebel movements. I would recommend having a sizable, permanent stack in every potential revolter area (in the beginning, that would be Syria), with a strong cavalry reserve in Cairo. That way you can quickly suppress any pesky nationalistic revolt before they declare independence.
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However if you are not daunted by such odds, it's not all doom and gloom for the Mamluks. They are a Muslim nation in Africa, which means that they are still miles ahead of their neighbours to the South. They enjoy good relations with all their Middle Eastern neighbors, and they control Judea, which adds a bonus of 0.50 [[missionaries]] yearly. Plus European nations don't really take an interest in the Mamluks for the first 100 years.
  
You will probably need to adjust your slider tabs to lower your research as far as humanly possible - full free subjects first, then move innovative. Of course this will also increase stability costs, but there's not much you can really do about that if you really want to be anywhere near the tech level of your Muslim peers in about 50 years.
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Firstly you should concentrate all your energies into gaining [[stability]]. Anything that lowers revolt risk is a very good idea. I'd recommend [[Church Attendance Duty]] as your first [[national idea]] too (not that you'll get one in the near future). Back off offensive wars if they don't serve your interest.
  
Investments will probably need to be geared towards Land. Forget about Trade and Production - besides those 5 merchants in Alexandria it's not really feasible for you to go anywhere else.
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Position troops so they can take advantage of any possible rebel movements. I would recommend having a sizable, permanent stack in every potential revolter area (in the beginning, that would be Syria), with a strong cavalry reserve in Cairo. That way you can quickly suppress any pesky nationalistic revolt before they declare independence.
  
Once at 3+ stability it's probably time to expand. Your obvious first choice would be Ethiopia: it has a few nice provinces, is Orthodox and has very very bad tech. Perfect for the taking.
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You will probably need to adjust your slider tabs to lower your research as far as humanly possible - full [[free subjects]] first, then move [[innovative]]. Of course this will also increase stability costs, but there's not much you can really do about that if you really want to be anywhere near the technology level of your Muslim peers in about 50 years. Investments will probably need to be geared towards [[Land technology]]. Forget about [[Trade technology]] and [[Production technology]] - besides those 5 merchants in Alexandria it's not really feasible for you to go anywhere else.
  
Try to demand reasonably profitable provinces from Ethiopia - those that produce gold or salt, for example. You don't have the time or money to be spending millions of ducats on grain provinces (which is, unfortunately, what most of your core areas produce). Convert and station troops.
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Once at 3+ stability it's probably time to expand. Your obvious first choice would be Ethiopia: it has a few nice provinces, is [[Orthodox]] and has very very bad technology. Perfect for the taking. Try to demand reasonably profitable provinces from Ethiopia - those that produce gold or salt, for example. You don't have the time or money to be spending millions of [[ducats]] on grain provinces which is, unfortunately, what most of your core areas produce. Convert and station troops.
  
 
By now you should have experienced your first major convulsion as your leader dies, unless you are really lucky and you got an absolute genius. Hit rebels as soon as they appear, with a decent general at its head. Try not to use your leader unless he has a really high military ranking, if he dies you are well and truly lost. Have your mobile reserve traverse up and down the country, beating rebels in tandem with the regular force stationed there. If rebels are appearing everywhere concentrate on the potential revolter areas like Ethiopia or Syria; at least Egypt won't defect. Take care of nationalistic or religious revolts before peasant, noble or, horror of horrors, Pretender revolts.
 
By now you should have experienced your first major convulsion as your leader dies, unless you are really lucky and you got an absolute genius. Hit rebels as soon as they appear, with a decent general at its head. Try not to use your leader unless he has a really high military ranking, if he dies you are well and truly lost. Have your mobile reserve traverse up and down the country, beating rebels in tandem with the regular force stationed there. If rebels are appearing everywhere concentrate on the potential revolter areas like Ethiopia or Syria; at least Egypt won't defect. Take care of nationalistic or religious revolts before peasant, noble or, horror of horrors, Pretender revolts.
  
After a few excruciating years the problem should by and large be over, just in time for you to laugh (hopefully) at the Timurids' incompetent efforts to hold their empire together. You should be laughing, because the Timurids were probably your greatest threat in the Mid East. With them gone there shouldn't be any major disruptions barring some succession war.
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After a few excruciating years the problem should by and large be over, just in time for you to laugh at the Timurids' incompetent efforts to hold their empire together. You should be laughing, because the Timurids were probably your greatest threat in the Mid East. With them gone there shouldn't be any major disruptions barring some succession war.
  
What happens to the Mamluks afterwards is pretty much up to you. The constant revolts make it quite hard for the Mamluks to expand really definitively, and with the tech penalty you can kiss those dreams of trade/domination of Europe goodbye. I would suggest as your next targets to be somewhere in Africa: Mutapa, with its gold mines, is a must. I'd also, instead of rampant expansion, go for province development: you'll need all those Level 2/3/4 Forts if you're planning to hold on to your outward provinces.
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What happens to the Mamluks afterwards is pretty much up to you. The constant revolts make it quite hard for the Mamluks to expand really definitively, and with the technology penalty you can kiss those dreams of trade/domination of Europe goodbye. I would suggest as your next targets to be somewhere in Africa: Mutapa, with its gold mines, is a must. I'd also, instead of rampant expansion, go for province development: you'll need all those Level 2/3/4 [[Forts]] if you're planning to hold on to your outward provinces.
  
== Alternate Strategy (Divine Wind)==
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== Earlier versions ==
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They are quite playable.  There's plenty of reasonably easy prey nearby taking [[Ethiopia]], [[Najd]] etc. Once you're ready for the bigger world a good strategy is to take [[Sole Defender of the Faith]] which allows a DOW on any different [[religion]] with no CB required as long as they are at war with someone of your faith.  This allows domination of the Persians and as much Europe warfare as you like.
  
Although I feel The Mamluks rebel problems are greatly exaggerated, here is a strategy you can use to free yourself of rebels, quickly change government, speed up research, and westernise earlier. Feel free to adapt.
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A second strategy is to head east right from the beginning, gobbling up the Arabian peninsula and going to war with Timurids or steppe nations. Those guys usually end up fighting each other, so jumping in and reaping the benefits will help a lot.
  
Firstly, we need to vassalise our neighbours, hopefully before our leader dies. Luckily, we have the Tribal Feud CB which we can use on all our neighbours. 15k army should be enough at first, but you may want to make a few more regiments of 15k later on (only if you have the cash). I started with Tripoli, as they were the weakest, demand vassalisation as soon as possible, try not drag wars out. Continue vassalising all your neighbours. Make sure to have good relations with the Ottomans, if they invade it will make the game very very hard.
+
Mid to late game, the Ottomans will pose a big threat. Once you've gobbled up plenty of nearby Muslim minors, take out your big brother to the north and finally recreate the infamous Caliphate.
 
 
Sell all your poor provinces to your neighbours. You should be left with 9 provinces, 3 in Egypt and 6 in Syria. Now we need to  secure the two halves of our territory. I kept 15k in each section, but you may not need this many troops. If you have a deficit feel free to kill troops. Your borders are largely secure now, as long as you keep your vassals happy. The only border left to secure is the sea; start building ships as soon as possible. We will need around 15 cogs and 25 carracks, although this number is not set in stone, just try to keep your fleet larger than most European countries, Castille may become a problem.
 
 
 
Your game should look something like this now:
 
 
 
[[File:Mamstart2.jpg]]
 
 
 
Now we can focus on research and trade, our vassals should keep us safe (remember to ally with them and keep relations at 200). Move sliders towards Innovation, Centralisation and focus research on government, switch to Despotic Monarchy as soon as possible.Impacts of government changes and westernisation should be low and easily managed as we're now a small and very efficient state. Annex your vassals once you've westernised and are happy with your tech.
 
 
 
Congratulations! You've largely finished the hard/annoying/boring part, now you can start conquering the world. Make sure to keep your fleet strong, as you will eventually be attacked by Europe. Options are numerous now, West or East the choice is yours. I went for uniting the Muslim world, India was the next best choice, naturally.
 
  
 
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Revision as of 08:11, 22 June 2014

This article is accurate for the latest versions of EU3, Napoleon’s Ambition, In Nomine, Heir to the Throne and Divine Wind.

The Mamluks are a nation in modern day Egypt with the potential to become a Middle Eastern power however they are hobbled by poor Government type and regular rebellions.

The Mamluks
The Mamluks.png
At the start of the Grand Campaign – 14 October 1399
Basic Stats
Government type Tribal Despotism
Technology group Muslim
Capital province Cairo
Center of Trade Alexandria
State religion Sunni
Primary culture al Misr Arabic

Sliders

Centralization <▪▪▪▪▪▫▪▪♦▪▪>
quite decentralized
Decentralization

Aristocracy <▪▪▪♦▪▫▪▪▪▪▪>
somewhat aristocratic
Plutocracy

Serfdom <▪▪▪♦▪▫▪▪▪▪▪>
some serfdom
Free Subject

Innovative <▪▪▪▪▪▫▪♦▪▪▪>
somewhat narrowminded
Narrowminded

Mercantilism <▪♦▪▪▪▫▪▪▪▪▪>
very mercantilistic
Free Trade

Offensive <▪▪▪▪▪♦▪▪▪▪▪>
balanced
Defensive

Land <▪▪▪▪♦▫▪▪▪▪▪>
slightly land oriented
Naval

Quality <▪▪▪▪▪▫▪▪♦▪▪>
quite quantity oriented
Quantity

Divine Wind V5.1

This strategy is less useful after Patch 5.2 where releasing nations which have cores from your nation removes the core making reintegration a more troublesome prospect. An alternative is to vassalise neighbours but retain your own provinces. This is a strategy to quickly change government, speed up research, and westernise earlier.

Military start

Firstly, we need to vassalise our neighbours, hopefully before our leader dies. Luckily, we have the Tribal Feud CB which we can use on all our neighbours. The 15k army should be enough at first, but you may want to make a few more regiments of 15k later on (only if you have the cash). I started with Tripoli, as they were the weakest, demand vassalisation as soon as possible, try not drag wars out. Continue vassalising all your neighbours. Make sure to have good relations with the Ottomans, if they invade it will make the game very very hard.

Sell all your poor provinces to your neighbours. You should be left with 9 provinces, 3 in Egypt and 6 in Syria. Now we need to secure the two halves of our territory. I kept 15k in each section, but you may not need this many troops. If you have a deficit feel free to kill troops. Your borders are largely secure now, as long as you keep your vassals happy. The only border left to secure is the sea; start building ships as soon as possible. We will need around 15 cogs and 25 carracks, although this number is not set in stone, just try to keep your fleet larger than most European countries, Castille may become a problem.

The Mamluks after selling poor provinces and making Vassals from neighbours.

Research acceleration

Now we can focus on research and trade, our vassals should keep us safe (remember to ally with them and keep relations at 200). Move sliders towards Innovation, Centralisation and focus research on Government technology, switch to Despotic Monarchy as soon as possible. Impacts of government changes and Westernisation should be low and easily managed as we're now a small and very efficient state. Annex your vassals once you've westernised and are happy with your technology.

Congratulations! You've largely finished the hard/annoying/boring part, now you can start conquering the world. Make sure to keep your fleet strong, as you will eventually be attacked by Europe. Options are numerous now, West or East the choice is yours. I went for uniting the Muslim world, India was the next best choice, naturally.

In Nomine

Much of the problems that the Mamluks have stems from their government type: they are a Sheikhdom, which means that they are of the Tribal government type. You get a 50% penalty to your technology costs and you get Tribal Succession Crisis every time your leader dies. Worse still all rebels get their technology from the Latin technology group, which means that as you grow more and more backward you're going to have a heck of a time going after those rebellions.

However if you are not daunted by such odds, it's not all doom and gloom for the Mamluks. They are a Muslim nation in Africa, which means that they are still miles ahead of their neighbours to the South. They enjoy good relations with all their Middle Eastern neighbors, and they control Judea, which adds a bonus of 0.50 missionaries yearly. Plus European nations don't really take an interest in the Mamluks for the first 100 years.

Firstly you should concentrate all your energies into gaining stability. Anything that lowers revolt risk is a very good idea. I'd recommend Church Attendance Duty as your first national idea too (not that you'll get one in the near future). Back off offensive wars if they don't serve your interest.

Position troops so they can take advantage of any possible rebel movements. I would recommend having a sizable, permanent stack in every potential revolter area (in the beginning, that would be Syria), with a strong cavalry reserve in Cairo. That way you can quickly suppress any pesky nationalistic revolt before they declare independence.

You will probably need to adjust your slider tabs to lower your research as far as humanly possible - full free subjects first, then move innovative. Of course this will also increase stability costs, but there's not much you can really do about that if you really want to be anywhere near the technology level of your Muslim peers in about 50 years. Investments will probably need to be geared towards Land technology. Forget about Trade technology and Production technology - besides those 5 merchants in Alexandria it's not really feasible for you to go anywhere else.

Once at 3+ stability it's probably time to expand. Your obvious first choice would be Ethiopia: it has a few nice provinces, is Orthodox and has very very bad technology. Perfect for the taking. Try to demand reasonably profitable provinces from Ethiopia - those that produce gold or salt, for example. You don't have the time or money to be spending millions of ducats on grain provinces which is, unfortunately, what most of your core areas produce. Convert and station troops.

By now you should have experienced your first major convulsion as your leader dies, unless you are really lucky and you got an absolute genius. Hit rebels as soon as they appear, with a decent general at its head. Try not to use your leader unless he has a really high military ranking, if he dies you are well and truly lost. Have your mobile reserve traverse up and down the country, beating rebels in tandem with the regular force stationed there. If rebels are appearing everywhere concentrate on the potential revolter areas like Ethiopia or Syria; at least Egypt won't defect. Take care of nationalistic or religious revolts before peasant, noble or, horror of horrors, Pretender revolts.

After a few excruciating years the problem should by and large be over, just in time for you to laugh at the Timurids' incompetent efforts to hold their empire together. You should be laughing, because the Timurids were probably your greatest threat in the Mid East. With them gone there shouldn't be any major disruptions barring some succession war.

What happens to the Mamluks afterwards is pretty much up to you. The constant revolts make it quite hard for the Mamluks to expand really definitively, and with the technology penalty you can kiss those dreams of trade/domination of Europe goodbye. I would suggest as your next targets to be somewhere in Africa: Mutapa, with its gold mines, is a must. I'd also, instead of rampant expansion, go for province development: you'll need all those Level 2/3/4 Forts if you're planning to hold on to your outward provinces.

Earlier versions

They are quite playable. There's plenty of reasonably easy prey nearby taking Ethiopia, Najd etc. Once you're ready for the bigger world a good strategy is to take Sole Defender of the Faith which allows a DOW on any different religion with no CB required as long as they are at war with someone of your faith. This allows domination of the Persians and as much Europe warfare as you like.

A second strategy is to head east right from the beginning, gobbling up the Arabian peninsula and going to war with Timurids or steppe nations. Those guys usually end up fighting each other, so jumping in and reaping the benefits will help a lot.

Mid to late game, the Ottomans will pose a big threat. Once you've gobbled up plenty of nearby Muslim minors, take out your big brother to the north and finally recreate the infamous Caliphate.

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Near East

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